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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast on kgra digital broadcasting

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this is the other show i am here with

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you of course dan is joining me as

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always how we doing dan

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i'm great thank you how do you how are

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you today

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yeah i'm going to let this mess up my

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first line how are you

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pretty much dead

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i am good i was doing an impression of

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saying

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all that stuff

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yeah that was some interesting stuff

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choking on our words listen dan it's not

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just the two of us for this show we're

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going to bring in a guest in just a

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moment and many of you will know don't

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know who he is when you see him um i i

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shouldn't hype up too much should it's

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just it's just vinnie from disclosure

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team oh of our own have around that

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yeah but listen this show this week is

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going to be all about the lesser known

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or lesser studied aspects of the

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phenomenon and we've reached out to you

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the viewers the listeners we've reached

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out to twitter and read it and we've got

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a lot of good suggestions to discuss and

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talk through but before we do that let's

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bring vinnie from disclosure team into

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the stream vinnie how are we i'm good

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thank you gentlemen good to see you

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it's intimidating having someone on with

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a green screen isn't it like that's

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someone who's invested

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that's it this is this is a green screen

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this is entirely fabricated yeah dan's

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actually in a nice room it just makes it

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look like a like a

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trashed hole but

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yeah good to have you with us vinnie at

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very short notice as well but uh i just

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thought this would work really well with

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an extra voice in here and um a few of

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the people i got in touch with weren't

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available and newer so that's that's

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good to have you no but thank you and

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hello to everyone as well in the chat as

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well good to see you good to have you

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with us or if you're listening to this

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in the future and it's not friday at 11

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pm uk then hi hope you hope you enjoyed

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the show listen vinnie good to have you

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along with us like i said we're going to

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be discussing known or lesser understood

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aspects of the phenomenon and we're

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going to kick off with some of the

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discord chat now if you're on the

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patreon or apple premium you get access

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to the discord chat very popular very

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friendly what a really great

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conversation in there um we're going to

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start off with nathan nathan's one of

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the co-hosts on the calling all beings

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podcast vinnie i believe you are you

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have an appearance this week on calling

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all beings which people will be able to

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check out now won't they

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yeah i'm actually going to record it

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real soon so um yeah i'm speaking to dj

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so i'm really looking forward to that i

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like that channel i think they're doing

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they are they are uh and nathan's been a

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while and he's been on quite a few of

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the call-ins as well and he kicks off

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with agendas he thinks the actual agenda

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have you ever thought about the agendas

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recently having heard that you think

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that agendas what about yourself what

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agenda could be from from alien species

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anthropomorphic ways we say

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wiping out a whole civilization and

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they're not necessarily here for us

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that they consider part of this planet

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nebula clouds and refine it from there

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developing life around the universe kind

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apollo missions landed and they measured

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touch anyway i i don't propagate the

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moon bases the dark side of the moon and

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the moon even possibly being

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a spaceship in itself you know that's

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scripts for really good sci-fi movies or

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something but beyond that for me

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side facing here then it makes maybe

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things could be happening now things

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could have stopped happening

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from the moon and we've seen them again

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for decades where people say look

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there's a building that's a structure

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it's not like it's a oh look there's a

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house in the windows and

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you can see doorways and stuff like that

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it's just like well it does look kind of

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like got some symmetry to it or

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something but

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again it could be natural so yeah it's

286
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it is fun i don't have these discussions

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often so it's do you know what's cool

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when you think though we always think of

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a smoking gun for existence of other

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life being like a clear picture or video

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of a ufo but if on some nasa mission or

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one of the chinese lunar missions or

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russian they managed to capture a

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picture of what was a clear building or

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structure on the moon

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that's that's it

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you don't even need that ufo or video

298
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anymore because that's proof of

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something has or does exist and that

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would be an incredible conversation just

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to have i mean that could still go on

302
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for decades with nothing else because

303
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what if you go in and there's nothing

304
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there anymore and then obviously i think

305
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in 2021 we would still have people

306
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surmising that well it's probably ours

307
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yeah we've been on the moon for a while

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and everything else but dan i'll bring

309
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you in on a on on the moon theories

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what's your take

311
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what what you guys were just talking

312
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about is kind of exactly what avilab is

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getting at with umumua and all these uh

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you know extra solar objects that are

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coming in to visit us we wouldn't

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necessarily recognize a building of

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another species if we saw it and

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if the species was long gone

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then we know that these buildings break

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down over time you know what what is a

321
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building could be a stub but vinnie's

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totally right like there's a danger of

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doing a little bit of god in the gaps

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here and kind of going oh just because

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we can't see it that's where the

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solution is and that's not necessarily

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true

328
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the pictures of the the

329
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uh what's called a monolith on the moon

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um and it's just you know at all spike

331
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out the landscape until we see more of

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that we can't say that that's an

333
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extraterrestrial building it's a

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peculiar feature that needs more

335
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studying and it reminds me of the the

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debate that we've had with ufos and uap

337
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as a whole you know it's gone from

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really fanciful stuff to kind of saying

339
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you know what there's there's truth in

340
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this but we need to kind of unmoney the

341
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waters here so we can actually do some

342
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work and progress and figure this out

343
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you know it might be that that's a

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building on the moon but don't start

345
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with assuming it's a building on the

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moon that's that's

347
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a bad way to go about it

348
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vinnie why do you think we haven't gone

349
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back to the moon do you think there's

350
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something sinister there we all hear the

351
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the rumors that you know when when they

352
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landed on them and there were ships and

353
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the craters watching and at various

354
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different points there may have been

355
00:11:58,629 --> 00:11:56,800
other craft within the areas do you

356
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think there's any any truth to that or

357
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do you think it's a case of it was too

358
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expensive too difficult and we just

359
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stopped trying

360
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yeah the latter i think it was nothing

361
00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:08,079
sinister i think it was they'd done what

362
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they needed to do they'd had enough

363
00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:12,320
samples from the moon to to look at it

364
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wasn't there wasn't any initial plans to

365
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use it as a waste stop to go on to mars

366
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you know through the 70s and 80s as far

367
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as i know

368
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so i think it was just a case of yeah

369
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the focus was switching to the the space

370
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shuttle program kind of after apollo and

371
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things like that and

372
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yeah maybe funding got in the way that

373
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years passed and

374
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it just never really happened again you

375
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know i didn't i didn't ever read about

376
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any particular urge to go back to the

377
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moon i think um george w bush mentioned

378
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something

379
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when he first got into office in the

380
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early 2000s about a plan to go to the

381
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moon but we hear these things come up

382
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and then a year or two later we hear oh

383
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we're putting that on the back burner

384
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again and

385
00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:52,639
there you go that's kind of how i see it

386
00:12:54,949 --> 00:12:53,920
to be honest

387
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i think

388
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elon musk and and cove probably helped

389
00:13:01,350 --> 00:12:59,200
speed things up a little bit because

390
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they're commercializing space tourism so

391
00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:03,279
quickly you can't imagine it's too long

392
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before someone like musk says i fancy

393
00:13:09,269 --> 00:13:07,440
going to the moon and i'm just going to

394
00:13:10,710 --> 00:13:09,279
build a craft that can do it and i'll go

395
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myself

396
00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:12,959
yeah when when you look at the i've read

397
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somewhere i can't remember the exact

398
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time but basically it took us ages ages

399
00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,040
and ages and ages we're talking years to

400
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build the international space station um

401
00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:23,120
you know it was cutting-edge science the

402
00:13:27,829 --> 00:13:25,760
capacity of the ships wasn't very big it

403
00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:27,839
took you know part of its russian part

404
00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:30,240
of it is from the us you know it's a

405
00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:33,760
kind of a hodgepodge of things and

406
00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:35,040
now

407
00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:37,440
the if spacex was told okay we've got

408
00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:38,720
all the parts of the space station but

409
00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:40,000
we need you to take it up they could do

410
00:13:43,269 --> 00:13:42,399
it in a week a week

411
00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:43,279
like

412
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it just shows how much of a revolution

413
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what spacex is doing is for the space

414
00:13:53,350 --> 00:13:51,040
industry and it makes me think of um

415
00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:53,360
with cern where they have the particle

416
00:13:59,509 --> 00:13:56,480
collider cern actually gets a budget um

417
00:14:01,509 --> 00:13:59,519
a percentage of the the whole budget

418
00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,519
every single year so it's consistent so

419
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:03,360
they can do things like you know

420
00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:05,760
underspend one year and then put that

421
00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:08,000
money towards the particle collider for

422
00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:10,560
example so you see these huge projects

423
00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:12,000
like the particle colliders actually

424
00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:13,839
take in shape and you know they'll keep

425
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:15,120
kind of

426
00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:16,880
they probably have 500 projects they

427
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:19,120
want to do but it's a case of saving up

428
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:20,720
that budget that they don't they know

429
00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:23,360
they are consistently getting with nasa

430
00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:24,880
it's different that budget changes every

431
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:26,720
year and it's kind of at the whims of

432
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,199
whoever's in the white house really and

433
00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,839
it's a shame because i think spacex

434
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:33,519
shows what nasa could have been if there

435
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:36,240
was more consistent funding

436
00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:37,920
dan i'll stay with you for the next one

437
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:40,639
so this is from rickson and rickson

438
00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:43,199
mentions that he feels the the least

439
00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:45,519
less studied aspect of the phenomenon is

440
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:47,360
that there could be multiple beings or

441
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:49,360
multiple entities all at work and it's

442
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:50,800
something we've discussed previously

443
00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:52,880
then the whole idea of phenomenon versus

444
00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:55,839
phenomenon where do you stand on

445
00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:58,240
do other entities know each other exist

446
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:03,430
i think the way we have to look at this

447
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:06,000
question is that when we look outward we

448
00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:08,399
don't really see other forms of life in

449
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,160
the way that we expect to like

450
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:12,639
mainstream science thinks i'll say

451
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:13,360
so

452
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:15,120
if life is out there it's in a form that

453
00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:17,360
we don't understand and every step

454
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:19,040
that's in front of us as we progress you

455
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,560
know when we get to a place where we

456
00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:22,160
completely understand uap and the

457
00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:24,079
occupants kind of put aside that it's

458
00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:25,760
multiple different ones for the moment

459
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:27,360
when we get to that point there's going

460
00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:28,800
to be another frontier with something

461
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,160
else that we don't understand and

462
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,240
probably another form of life that we

463
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,320
have to come to understand

464
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:35,839
so

465
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:37,519
i don't think they're necessarily all

466
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:39,120
aware of each other

467
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:40,639
you know they they could in the way that

468
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:42,240
we see light

469
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:44,240
if something didn't see

470
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:46,160
uh the physical world like we do they

471
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:48,480
totally miss us for example

472
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:49,360
so

473
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,880
while there is kind of

474
00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:52,480
probably you know overlap and

475
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:54,079
interconnectivity i wouldn't say that

476
00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:57,360
they all know each other um but

477
00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:00,000
i'd be surprised if it wasn't like

478
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:01,839
if it wasn't as diverse as planet earth

479
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,279
with its wildlife

480
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,440
you know the the bees my dog runs around

481
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:07,519
with a small giraffe teddy and i often

482
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:09,279
chuckled myself because i think you

483
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:10,959
would lose your mind if you actually saw

484
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,120
a giraffe you have no idea this thing is

485
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,519
real um she would she would lose her

486
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:17,040
mind like it's only small the one that

487
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:18,800
she has um

488
00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:20,079
so yeah i think it would be something

489
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:21,839
like that

490
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:23,680
take a shot because dan just knocked his

491
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,519
mic if you're playing that game uh

492
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:27,279
vinnie what about yourself thoughts on

493
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:29,360
the idea of multiple phenomena and being

494
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:31,360
aware that they each exist

495
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:32,320
well

496
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,000
again it's a kind of another area of

497
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,720
conspiracy because we've heard from many

498
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:38,240
different researchers over the years

499
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:40,240
that some believe there are

500
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,440
four to ten different species some

501
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:45,279
benevolence some malevol

502
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:48,079
i always butcher that word malevolent

503
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,680
but then we hear some reaches say that

504
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:51,920
oh well so far we've categorized 250

505
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,839
something species of extraterrestrials

506
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:55,519
and it's like

507
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,480
wow okay uh okay you know really hard to

508
00:17:01,350 --> 00:17:00,079
believe and so

509
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:01,360
where where do you draw the line with

510
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:03,519
things like that the the case in point

511
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,160
is the the russian book of alien races

512
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:08,720
that was a big story a while back where

513
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,520
this

514
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,360
apparent

515
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:12,880
son was clearing out his dad or his

516
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:14,880
uncle's house and they found this book

517
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:16,959
and he'd worked for the kgb and it was

518
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:18,640
about all these different races you know

519
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:20,959
great story but

520
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,439
i don't know it's not very believable

521
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:25,280
but you know some people

522
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,480
they hear something like that or they

523
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,319
see on a documentary well it must be

524
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:30,720
fact if it's on a documentary so

525
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,280
yeah possibilities could be true could

526
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:35,280
be complete nonsense

527
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,520
then

528
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:39,360
one that that book is one of those

529
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:40,720
things that

530
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,640
come up when i think of

531
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:44,480
how we pass stories and myths to each

532
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:47,440
other and you know how one person's kind

533
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:48,160
of

534
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:49,600
we see all the time there's that great

535
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,520
uh ball lightning video of the ball

536
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,360
lining going across the train tracks and

537
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,679
if you look that up it has been the

538
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:58,000
person who made it it is cgi and the guy

539
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:59,360
who made it came out straight away and

540
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,120
said it's cgi it was a project that he

541
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:03,120
was doing and

542
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:04,559
you know that's on snopes he's open

543
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,799
about that but still you see this video

544
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:09,120
get bandied about as real proof of bull

545
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,799
lightning and i i think that's a great

546
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:12,320
example of how things go you know

547
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:14,480
there's not necessarily any malicious

548
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:16,880
intent in there but it's kind of game of

549
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:18,160
telephone

550
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,080
is it like in 5 000 years someone's

551
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:22,080
going to dig up a copy of harry potter

552
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:23,919
and be reading it and go wow do you see

553
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:25,360
what went on back then like this is

554
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:27,760
incredible oh yeah absolutely

555
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,200
and then someone else will find a copy

556
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:31,200
of end game and wonder you know why why

557
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:32,640
did these guys never fight they seem

558
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:35,360
pretty big deals on this planet

559
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:37,200
surely thanos should have won but yeah

560
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:39,200
good show good show uh thanks for that

561
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:41,760
one that's a good question as well um

562
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,160
next up uh moving on slightly slightly

563
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:46,240
different topic veil

564
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:48,640
said that one of the lesser known areas

565
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,200
are discussed as post-event paranormal

566
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:54,000
occurrences so this is something suppose

567
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,440
getting into territories we started

568
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,960
talking about with colin kelleher and

569
00:19:01,510 --> 00:18:58,799
george knapp and there are books skin

570
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,520
walkers at the pentagon uh dan sticking

571
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,600
with you first for this one post event

572
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,440
paranormal occurrences there was someone

573
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,600
who i mean you've said before you've

574
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,360
yeah yeah as a little bit i'm to stop

575
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:11,200
saying it um

576
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,679
i could shorten it to people

577
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,919
so you've you've obviously mentioned

578
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:17,440
before how you you've seen various

579
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,760
things or had experiences you've touched

580
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:22,000
on in the past as well

581
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,280
do you feel that's something that's

582
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,360
stuck with you and hung about afterwards

583
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:27,120
or is it something you subscribe to

584
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,880
giving how many stories of that you

585
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:30,880
heard through other people

586
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:33,440
i mean my experience is certainly then

587
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,880
credence too

588
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:37,200
once a weird thing happened weirder

589
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:40,559
things happened faster and consistently

590
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:42,799
um

591
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,240
you know there's a lot of strange ones

592
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,799
that i shared on on the podcast i'll

593
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:48,559
kind of repeat a few here for example

594
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:49,440
kind of

595
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,760
point in the air and i followed to it

596
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:57,440
and my dog was aware of it as well and

597
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:58,559
we just couldn't figure out where it was

598
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,760
coming from it was like it was just

599
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,520
coming from the cursing and curtains

600
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,080
don't make sounds like that um and it

601
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:06,080
was very odd and i'm the kind of person

602
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,520
you know if i see a light flash in my

603
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,360
room i'm not gonna straight away take a

604
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,600
picture and go it's a ufo i'm gonna try

605
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,679
and figure out if it's reflecting off

606
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,120
you know an ornament in the garden or

607
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:17,679
something like that first um it's always

608
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,440
fun to do that um but

609
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,159
after speaking with column i had a few

610
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:26,000
really strange occurrences

611
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,799
um

612
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:28,080
and it kind of amped up for me so

613
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:29,600
there's definitely experience that kind

614
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:32,880
of backs that hitchhiker idea

615
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,000
but i've never had anything you know

616
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,880
scary poltergeisty um never anything

617
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:40,799
where i felt in danger or anything like

618
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,240
that just curious you know um and just

619
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,679
weird things

620
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,120
do you think then that you have to be

621
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,960
you have to be open and even

622
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,200
subconsciously want those experiences to

623
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,600
happen i've i've said before i'm not a

624
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,000
fan of the whole ghost thing not that i

625
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,840
don't believe just i don't want to see

626
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,679
one i have no interest in any of

627
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,280
paranormal activity happening and then

628
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,200
around me so

629
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,280
i i will say i am fortunate i've never

630
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,760
had that happen and i wouldn't want to

631
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:09,280
but do you think you're just maybe more

632
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,960
open to it which is why it does happen

633
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,039
the curious thing to me is the work that

634
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,280
gary nolan's doing in trying to identify

635
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,200
a marker or some kind of difference in

636
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,120
people who have these things happen to

637
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,280
them um and he identified a region

638
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,159
called the chordae putamen um where

639
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,679
basically there would be more white

640
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:29,760
brain mass connecting the regions of the

641
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,880
brain between these two two pieces um

642
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:35,440
and that was found in experiences

643
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,480
so

644
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,320
it seems as though

645
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,520
an experiences changes our physiology in

646
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:43,919
a way that makes us more open to

647
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,880
experiencing more of the weirdness and

648
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,240
that to me just sounds like a really

649
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,080
scientific way of saying the veil was

650
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,840
lifted and it will continue to lift you

651
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,799
know

652
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,000
um

653
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:56,559
and people always say once you you know

654
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,840
experience synchronicity you'll

655
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,440
experience more and more faster and

656
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,280
faster and it's it's exactly the same

657
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,760
with the phenomena um the the term that

658
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:06,320
i like for it is that it's sticky

659
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,280
once you have it it stays with you

660
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,799
vinny what are your thoughts saying on

661
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:13,200
those sticky portfolios and paranormal

662
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,559
events occurring after experiences

663
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,320
yeah i mean dan said

664
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,760
quite a few things that i was thinking

665
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,600
of but i suppose one thing that

666
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,280
sits with me is that possibly someone

667
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,919
sees something right maybe something a

668
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,360
bit strange happens a few weeks or

669
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,720
months later

670
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,400
they will probably go back to that first

671
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,480
thing and think yeah it's connected

672
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:34,080
whereas it might be completely random

673
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,280
but because they have that first

674
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,840
experience they're instantly ah it's

675
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,919
probably connected to that so there's a

676
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,360
bit of like

677
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,840
that kind of aspect of it

678
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,120
possibly

679
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,880
but then it's kind of it's a difficult

680
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:48,720
area because when you go into that

681
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,000
fringe paranormal ghost type stuff it i

682
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,679
mean all i've really looked at is the

683
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,360
stuff from skinwalker and so dan pretty

684
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,280
much covered that but it's yeah

685
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,320
it's bizarre i don't really know

686
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,559
that's that's flicked myself with this i

687
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,919
understand when you look at somewhere

688
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,400
like skinwalker it's all the phenomena

689
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,600
you could talk about happening at the

690
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,080
same time huge dire wolves strange

691
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,320
beings crawling out of portals ufos

692
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,240
cattle mutilations

693
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,400
you know ghostly apparitions shadow

694
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,240
beings everything seems to happen in

695
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,640
that one place and it makes sense that

696
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,120
if this phenomenon is connected in any

697
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,360
way shape or form why wouldn't there be

698
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:26,960
locations on the planet where it's a

699
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,440
little bit more focused and concentrated

700
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,520
than then it would be somewhere like a

701
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:34,159
skinwalker ranch um people didn't build

702
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,240
their ranch and that land because it was

703
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,480
haunted or having ufo events it just

704
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,760
happened to be that's what happened

705
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,919
around that area so that's a really

706
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,080
interesting one for me i i can see it

707
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,840
but again i'm more than happy to not

708
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,240
have any of those follow-up experiences

709
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,320
for me i'm happy sticking to seeing the

710
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,159
the odd ufo here and there which i'm

711
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,640
always up for um so yeah really good

712
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,520
shot that one thank you next up tara

713
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,760
tara is a long-term listener to the

714
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,440
podcast as well so hi tara if you don't

715
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:05,360
want your bike rides listening to this

716
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,880
um how can sorry tara wanted to know dan

717
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,840
you had mentioned that these objects or

718
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,760
beings or entities can potentially make

719
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,480
people feel a certain way and tara found

720
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:18,720
that quite scary as it could almost be a

721
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,190
yeah absolutely a way to disarm a prey

722
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,360
or something like that let me i'm just

723
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,000
gonna real quick just try and find

724
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,880
something because if tara's interested

725
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,480
in that i was touching on something from

726
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,760
a paper um that was by

727
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,520
uh

728
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:41,600
vale and

729
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,840
i want to see davis but i might be wrong

730
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,440
um i'm not able to find it oh well if

731
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,960
you want to look at it i can i can jump

732
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,799
to jump to vinnie on this one yeah go

733
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,000
for it i'll just have a quick look for

734
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,679
it it's definitely here somewhere cool

735
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,520
yeah if any so it's the same same

736
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,120
question

737
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,480
i think it comes down to intent doesn't

738
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,080
it what is the intent of the the

739
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:02,799
phenomena is it to

740
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,919
do something genuinely negative to you

741
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,919
is it to just maybe even play around

742
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,559
with you a little bit and just you know

743
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,039
just poke away a little bit yeah it's

744
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,799
really difficult to ascertain

745
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,240
the true

746
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,600
meaning of what they're trying to do

747
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,200
because some people might experience the

748
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,720
same thing as the next person but they

749
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,000
might come away from that same

750
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,400
experience feeling it differently about

751
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:26,159
it about it based on them their

752
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,520
personalities and their individual

753
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,480
beings so it's it's another one that

754
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,000
i think isn't just a straightforward

755
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,159
it's this or that i think it's more of

756
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:36,559
an individual experience and an after

757
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,679
effect

758
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,120
yeah and i think it's something for me

759
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,200
that would subscribe to the idea that

760
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,679
there are multiple phenomena at play

761
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,679
because sometimes people describe

762
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,480
feelings of terror panic fear and that's

763
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,799
where anyone who subscribes to the love

764
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,480
and light side of things always go back

765
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,640
to many of those types of abductions

766
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,720
that people didn't want to happen and

767
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,880
they describe really harrowing events

768
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,640
happening sometimes through generations

769
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,679
and that's

770
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,200
that's not loving light that's something

771
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,039
that's unwanted so you've got a set of

772
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,720
beings who

773
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,039
would potentially appear to not really

774
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,360
care or be non-plussed as to our

775
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,600
thoughts and feelings and well-being and

776
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,520
i've said it many times but much like

777
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,360
how we would go fishing you don't

778
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,720
particularly care for the fish's

779
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,039
well-being you know you pull it out you

780
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,279
see the fish you take a picture with it

781
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,279
throw it about and hopefully someone

782
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,279
puts a fish back in the water that's

783
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,440
that's what happens but

784
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,960
then you have beings that apparently

785
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,799
take people on board various different

786
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,039
types of craft they fly them across

787
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,600
galaxies and universities they show them

788
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,919
all sorts of incredible things and

789
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,039
places

790
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,799
but i think i'm like yuvany on this one

791
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,960
where i appreciate someone telling me

792
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,159
that story

793
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,039
but there is no evidence for that you

794
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,200
can't show me and it's like the you know

795
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,679
the beings are from the palladians okay

796
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,200
well we don't know that yet let's point

797
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,039
the james webb in that direction and

798
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,880
let's see what's out there that's that's

799
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,880
what we can hopefully start to do

800
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,120
with the james webb going up um you got

801
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,880
it exactly that's exactly what we're

802
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,559
going to be using it for i i really like

803
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,400
that that was concise like oh you said

804
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,240
it from there cool let's have a look

805
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,799
yeah let's let's point at that keyhole

806
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,840
is it there nah can't see anything or

807
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,840
actually yep there seems to be a planet

808
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,000
full of light so yep we'll give you that

809
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,320
one but that's that's potential dan any

810
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,039
luck on that paper yeah so the paper is

811
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,600
called ink mensurability orthodoxy and

812
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,520
the physics of high strangeness a six

813
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,440
layer model for anomalous phenomena and

814
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,000
it's by jack valet and eric davis it was

815
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,440
talked about in the front of the

816
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,799
skinwalker book

817
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,200
and there was a section in here that was

818
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:40,720
talking about

819
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,320
um mimicry and how you could essentially

820
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,760
survive in the world and i'm just gonna

821
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,399
read one paragraph from it because uh

822
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:50,000
it's kind of what i was summarizing when

823
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,120
i spoke about it last time and if

824
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:53,039
someone's interested i'll yeah i'll just

825
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:54,640
say this paragraph

826
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,600
um

827
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,799
so

828
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,399
they write it is possible to have a sign

829
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,399
that physically resembles the signified

830
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:03,120
in a non-visual way for example

831
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:04,480
the fly

832
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,159
spilo maya hamifera beats its wings at a

833
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,080
frequency very close to the wing big

834
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,720
frequency frequency of a dangerous wasp

835
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,840
i'm not even going to try and save the

836
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,279
species name

837
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,279
as a result when one of these flies is

838
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,720
in the vicinity of a group of these

839
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,120
wasps the fly gains some immunity from

840
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,919
attack by birds the fly's mimicry of the

841
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,640
wasps occurs only in the auditory

842
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,960
modality and it's not attacked by whippy

843
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,640
predators because it sounds like the

844
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,039
wasps so essentially it's hiding in

845
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,440
plain sight and using another species

846
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,760
ability to do that that's kind of a cool

847
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,840
ability and i wonder is there a way that

848
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,240
species can do that to us with light or

849
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,760
something like that you know just appear

850
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,840
to us as something that we expect and

851
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,480
and hide in plain sight

852
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,399
yeah good show that's why some of these

853
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,320
ufos appear in the sky flashing bright

854
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,480
lights everywhere because well look down

855
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,760
there there's flashing bright lights

856
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,120
everywhere in these buildings so let's

857
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,440
do that up here maybe not understanding

858
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,279
that uh yeah we don't do that up there

859
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,520
like that so yeah and there's a very

860
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,600
famous example of using light and sound

861
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,240
to communicate with ufos and i say we

862
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,679
spielberg um he he you know that great

863
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,360
last sequence of close encounters of the

864
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,159
third kind where the scientists and i'm

865
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:17,200
going to just switch it a little bit

866
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,559
here because there are scientists there

867
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,559
are artists you know there are musicians

868
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,480
military guys and they're all being

869
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,080
creative in their own ways and i think

870
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,840
we could say that they're all intuitive

871
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:28,399
people and they're all drawn

872
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,600
to this

873
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,360
essentially

874
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,279
dance with an alien craft where they

875
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,799
kind of figure each other out and repeat

876
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,880
tones to each other and eventually then

877
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,720
you know it finds its feet and the

878
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:40,480
communication happens

879
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:41,360
and

880
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,200
sounds super hippy but it's not the

881
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,000
whole universe is resonance

882
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,080
i remember another movie that used very

883
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,399
similar tactics called independence day

884
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,240
and we use light and sound to try and

885
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,679
communicate and it got shot out of the

886
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,840
sky so yeah just

887
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,159
to be fair they use light and sound to

888
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,240
blow up the white house as well so

889
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,720
you know that's it situational thing

890
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,240
that's is true so that again it was just

891
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,600
mimicry oh yeah like boom yeah exactly

892
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,279
so yeah some really really good stuff on

893
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,120
that one folks listen we'll move on to

894
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:17,919
some of the comments from twitter now uh

895
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,720
ufo canada i really like this one this

896
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,120
goes into the pure speculation territory

897
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,159
video like it uh ufo canada said i want

898
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,840
people to start focusing on what

899
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,399
exopolitics would look like on earth

900
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,080
examples of advanced humans meeting

901
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,679
lesser advanced versions of the same

902
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,399
species were disastrous how does all of

903
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,880
humanity avoid the fate of the aztecs

904
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,480
vinnie

905
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,399
we can't i don't think you know if we're

906
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,240
being visited by

907
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,320
an advanced civilization whether it be

908
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,480
extraterrestrial or interdimensional

909
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,919
they're clearly more advanced than us

910
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,080
already so what

911
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,159
how do how do we go about

912
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,600
having a choice if they want to come

913
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,080
down here and take over

914
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,240
then i'm sure that they could you know

915
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,600
but this goes into something i think

916
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,279
about all the time is i hear people say

917
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,840
well they're definitely like friendly

918
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,039
these things because they would have

919
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,640
wiped us out by now

920
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,320
and that's obviously a very human way of

921
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,080
looking at things because what if their

922
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:14,880
plan finished in 2022 what if it

923
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,640
finished in 5022 how do we know we don't

924
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:20,240
so the fact that people say things like

925
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,679
that is very

926
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:24,159
human way of thinking and that

927
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,760
yeah it can cause arguments when you try

928
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,440
and bring that up with people because i

929
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,880
don't want to

930
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,799
you know reign on their parade when they

931
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,399
think that all these beings are really

932
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:33,679
friendly in that because it's a nice

933
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,880
thing to think but at the same time

934
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,880
maybe a little naive and i i don't want

935
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,640
to draw any negative attention from

936
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,399
people so i'm maybe playing devil's

937
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,640
advocate a little bit but no no that's

938
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,399
that's totally fair and maybe the word

939
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,120
isn't friendly it's the tolerant of us

940
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,519
and again that example of if another

941
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,080
species are watching us uh dan you use

942
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,679
the example about the gorilla and the

943
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,840
cage that finds the key and you know

944
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,760
we're not wiping out the gorilla but if

945
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,919
that gorilla in the cage finds the key

946
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,440
and starts to play about with the lock

947
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,360
then maybe you think about tasing it and

948
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,880
putting it player putting it back in its

949
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,960
place but if that gorilla starts

950
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,360
building nuclear weapons then we go

951
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,799
ahead and wipe all the gorillas out

952
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,320
because we don't want them getting that

953
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,080
we we do it with our own species where

954
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,240
we don't allow other countries i say we

955
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,559
i mean the superpowers predominantly you

956
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,159
know the ones i'm talking about they

957
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,000
don't allow other countries to have the

958
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,320
same weapons they do iceland right that

959
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,720
that absolutely iceland yeah that huge

960
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,120
nuclear superpower of iceland but yeah

961
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,799
so you you have other countries who

962
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,960
don't allow other countries to have the

963
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,039
same weaponry and if they did have they

964
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,760
go to war they fight back and like i say

965
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,320
i'm sure if dolphins which jazz shaw i'm

966
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,480
sure will appreciate developed nuclear

967
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,279
weapons uh or even started to look like

968
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,559
they were developing any kind of

969
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,559
weaponry we would wipe them out as a

970
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,799
species as the more dominant species so

971
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,640
you have to entertain the idea that

972
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,720
another species being tolerant is

973
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,399
watching us playing with the matches

974
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,880
we've got nuclear capabilities maybe

975
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,039
we're still on the cusp of will they use

976
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,679
it properly well they not um you look at

977
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:07,360
something as wonderful as the internet

978
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,720
and some of the weird things that it's

979
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,120
used for but you know here we are

980
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,880
recording a podcast and it's great we

981
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,799
can do this from different locations and

982
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,159
people are going to hear this all around

983
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,559
the world nuclear weapons and nuclear

984
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,840
energy sorry has so many incredible uses

985
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,559
and purposes but we stick it in the end

986
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:27,679
of a a warhead and drop it on hiroshima

987
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,880
drop on nagasaki and i've just watched

988
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,039
for the first time ever the abyss

989
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,799
which dan had been telling me for a long

990
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,480
time i should be should be checking out

991
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,799
i did not see it going the way it went

992
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,440
but the idea that you know

993
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,960
they had been dropping weapons and

994
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,559
testing them out at sea

995
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,240
and sorry for the spoiler but the movie

996
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,799
was made in 1989 these beings live under

997
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,039
the ocean so for them we are testing

998
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,880
these warheads and weapons in their

999
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:54,000
environment

1000
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,360
so there comes a point where another

1001
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,840
species says enough's enough

1002
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,679
yeah then

1003
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,880
yeah 100

1004
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,880
and and we're going to be moving forward

1005
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,120
into space as well and what what do you

1006
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,720
think we're going to put on the ships to

1007
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,320
protect ourselves as we go out into

1008
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,720
space it's going to be nuclear weapons

1009
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,800
so not only are we going to have them on

1010
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,000
earth we're going to start destroying

1011
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,760
them about the the i was going to say

1012
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,839
universe but we're not quite there yet

1013
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,720
the

1014
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:21,119
now

1015
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:22,000
um

1016
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,879
and

1017
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,720
the drives that we might build might be

1018
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,200
nuclear based as well so if there's

1019
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,639
something inherently wrong with the

1020
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,560
technology that for some reason we don't

1021
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,440
see

1022
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,200
then

1023
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,359
you know everything's gonna be based on

1024
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,359
it so we need to know now and find a

1025
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,879
separate path to

1026
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,879
to start trudging down because we're at

1027
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,639
the point where there's just a lot of

1028
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,240
people on earth and we need a lot of

1029
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,159
energy we've already seen

1030
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,320
you know in texas like the the energy

1031
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,919
going down and that was for multiple

1032
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,280
reasons but

1033
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,320
if that's happening in america

1034
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,520
what do you think are happening in the

1035
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,920
places that we don't hear about daily

1036
00:35:03,190 --> 00:34:59,760
that we don't hear you know that don't

1037
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,200
have news representation in the world um

1038
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,160
it it gets a little scary to think about

1039
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,839
dan just to take it back on the same

1040
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,079
question that ufo canada was asking as

1041
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,320
well about meeting other potential

1042
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,480
species are more advanced is there a

1043
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,200
huge element of luck as how we approach

1044
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:18,960
any potential communication first

1045
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,960
contact or our conversation like that

1046
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,280
it really depends on your outlook in

1047
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,280
life i think glass half full glass half

1048
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,359
empty type thing um you know we can

1049
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,359
subscribe to the independence day aliens

1050
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,800
or we can think they're more probably

1051
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,960
like et or

1052
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,119
you know we can put a lot of identities

1053
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,040
onto them um

1054
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,800
one that's been spoken about recently is

1055
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,800
the third body problem and the species

1056
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,359
we encounter in that and they're

1057
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,760
not necessarily immediately nefarious

1058
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,280
even though from our perspective they

1059
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,160
are it's more than the situation in the

1060
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,320
universe and how

1061
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,240
life interact i'm trying not to spoil

1062
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,720
anything here but how how life interacts

1063
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,880
with each other when it finds other

1064
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,280
forms of life um

1065
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,160
the the author argues that it's in

1066
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,720
a species best interest to you know take

1067
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:11,520
anyone else out first or to they have

1068
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,079
some inventive ideas on how to try and

1069
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,400
you know protect yourself peacefully uh

1070
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,160
that i won't spoil but

1071
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,760
yeah the the theory is called dark

1072
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,760
forest theory so have a look at that or

1073
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,280
have a look on my twitter there was a

1074
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,800
video i posted that was a bit of a

1075
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,400
summary um

1076
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,480
and yeah represents some interesting

1077
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,240
quandaries

1078
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,560
awesome uh vinnie we're going to move on

1079
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:35,200
to the next one and this one is from

1080
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,160
noel

1081
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,680
of course but i'm sure they must have

1082
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,800
some idea of the technology as they have

1083
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,880
uh they have seen and been able to study

1084
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,440
it to a degree so i think and this gets

1085
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,280
confusing because they use they and they

1086
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,160
to mean the government and also they so

1087
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:53,920
it noel thinks i'm going to translate

1088
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,480
this that the government have no idea

1089
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,960
who the beings are or where the beings

1090
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,880
come from and if the beings are not

1091
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,920
hostile

1092
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,359
what are they doing

1093
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,599
so what do you think to that is that do

1094
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,720
you think why the government and the

1095
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,280
military treat it so much as a potential

1096
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:10,880
threat

1097
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:14,560
because it's a genuine unknown so it's

1098
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:15,440
kind of

1099
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:20,160
you know thing is you can't just think

1100
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,280
well

1101
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,720
yeah they're probably not going to hurt

1102
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,720
us you know

1103
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:26,000
it is just

1104
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,760
you don't know so

1105
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,920
just prepare for

1106
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,920
the worst like i say and and hope that

1107
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:33,280
it doesn't get to that point but again

1108
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,480
you know

1109
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,119
having a craft or being aware of the

1110
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,280
technology is only the beginning of

1111
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:41,040
trying to understand anything else about

1112
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:41,839
them

1113
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,280
can't

1114
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,760
find out any reasons why they're here or

1115
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,839
anything you just have the physical

1116
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:51,440
object yes you might be able to study it

1117
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,720
scientifically

1118
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,880
even potentially attempt to back

1119
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,960
engineer it but that still doesn't give

1120
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,280
you the answers as to the bigger picture

1121
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,720
and what what could possibly happen

1122
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,480
further down the line

1123
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,240
and the idea is well dan you mentioned

1124
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,040
et the movie before in that movie elliot

1125
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:09,119
gets sick because of his close contact

1126
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:10,400
with et

1127
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,599
and that's that's a threat so et the

1128
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:15,440
cute little alien was a threat to human

1129
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,320
beings

1130
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,680
that's why the military went in the way

1131
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,880
they did because they don't fully

1132
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,359
understand it you take all precautions

1133
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,440
and you know what worst case scenario

1134
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,760
you have to get rid of et before you get

1135
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:28,000
rid of all life on earth which i suppose

1136
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,440
they should make kt actually from the

1137
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,560
military point of view that would be a

1138
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:32,320
good remake wouldn't it and just to see

1139
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,520
it from the other point of view when

1140
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,079
it's a bad alien but

1141
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,320
i i think it was originally meant to be

1142
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,280
uh

1143
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,839
you know there was a

1144
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,920
an idea that after close encounters you

1145
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,079
would basically have a

1146
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,960
film where a farmer was under siege um i

1147
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:50,079
can't remember the title of what he's

1148
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,520
going to call it but yeah it changed and

1149
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,680
they focused on the friendly alien and

1150
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,560
that that's what we all took from it

1151
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,160
but it'd be very different if it was

1152
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,560
signs but with et mixed in right

1153
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,760
um

1154
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,599
it would i but then

1155
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,280
from what we're talking about here that

1156
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,440
will probably be a bit more realistic

1157
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:08,720
because different members of the same

1158
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,560
species as we well know being humans uh

1159
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,079
can have very different outlooks and

1160
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,680
reactions to the worlds and to other

1161
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,160
species um you know there are some of us

1162
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:20,160
that

1163
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,680
you know we're fine seeing people get

1164
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,280
hurt in movies but the second the animal

1165
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,000
gets hurt with a puddle we're just in a

1166
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:29,440
you know a puddle of tears um

1167
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,040
i i'd be really interested to see how

1168
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,680
how our definition of life changes when

1169
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,000
we have to incorporate their definition

1170
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,520
of life as well

1171
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,920
because you know we can't go to war

1172
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,920
arguing over how we classify life but

1173
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,440
it's certainly going to open our eyes

1174
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,440
and make us go huh that that's super

1175
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,960
interesting we didn't think of you know

1176
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,640
we've argued for years if a virus is

1177
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,240
life but you're saying if we get a

1178
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,960
powerful enough microscope it

1179
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,400
shows intelligence

1180
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:58,160
um it would change everything for us you

1181
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:59,200
know there'd be people out there that

1182
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,240
didn't want to bleach their houses

1183
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,640
anymore because they were killing things

1184
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,960
dan you mentioned science which i really

1185
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,640
like the movie signs for all it's got

1186
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,200
its flaws one of my favorite moments in

1187
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,680
movie history as pertains to aliens or

1188
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,920
any type of phenomenon is where they

1189
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,319
show the news footage from the first

1190
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,839
sighting in brazil

1191
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,160
and the alien walks past the camera and

1192
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,920
all i can imagine now is imagine that

1193
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,000
but with e.t who just kind of walks past

1194
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,079
in waves and you feel it's not quite got

1195
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,760
the same gravitas does it is that kind

1196
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,599
of scary entity that does scroll by the

1197
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,640
camera

1198
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:32,319
no not at all no no one in that birthday

1199
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,520
party would have screamed if that

1200
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,280
happened they would just be like ah this

1201
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:37,280
is just this cute little thing waving at

1202
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,240
the end shit's a laser gun at them uh

1203
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,040
next up it was from bussier and uh

1204
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,960
bussier says it's the consciousness

1205
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,800
aspect of it we still don't fully

1206
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,119
understand how consciousness originates

1207
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,880
so we can't know how the phenomenon

1208
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,119
relates to it this is probably one of

1209
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,960
the buzzwords of the decade as relates

1210
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,880
to the phenomenon and i am sure there

1211
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:58,960
are people out there screaming that it's

1212
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,000
overused or used incorrectly as i

1213
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,400
probably do it done here's a big

1214
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:07,119
question for you what does consciousness

1215
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,829
that's a really good question um

1216
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,760
i think of it as

1217
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,240
as the way that i think of me as me that

1218
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,920
thing i'm referring to when i say me

1219
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,839
that is the conscious part of me it gets

1220
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,599
to interact with the world it gets to

1221
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:25,200
take ideas and change them and put them

1222
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,030
yeah there's an awareness and a kind of

1223
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,790
consciousness allows us to do things to

1224
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,040
the world outside of us

1225
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,599
um in in a way that other species can't

1226
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,040
and i don't think it's that other

1227
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,640
species don't have consciousness i think

1228
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:46,720
that it's a sliding scale similar to

1229
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,920
intelligence you know there are more

1230
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:49,280
intelligent people less intelligent

1231
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,400
people i think we're gonna end up

1232
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,240
finding it's the same kind of thing uh

1233
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,119
though that is complete speculation um

1234
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,800
one of my interests is the work they're

1235
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,960
doing with psilocybin and therapy at the

1236
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,720
moment because

1237
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,960
they're having to

1238
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,000
essentially talk about the effects that

1239
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,440
the psilocybin is having on the

1240
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,680
participants so where you know for the

1241
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,680
past 50 years we've all we've had his

1242
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,200
long-haired hippies in fields taking

1243
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,960
mushrooms saying oh dude it looks like

1244
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,040
the world smudging of you know whatever

1245
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,880
they describe it as now we actually have

1246
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,480
to come up with scientific language to

1247
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,040
describe these effects so you know in

1248
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,280
five years we might

1249
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,680
see in a supermarket a packet of

1250
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,000
psilocybin that says this will make a

1251
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,720
half hour feel like one hour to you

1252
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:34,319
and just

1253
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,599
help us

1254
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,359
once we have that language the

1255
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,520
conversations we can have with it become

1256
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,280
really something else like like the

1257
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,040
listener said we don't really understand

1258
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,359
what it is but we're grappling now for

1259
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,640
the language to be able to have that

1260
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,640
conversation

1261
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,000
dan i'm just going to ask you to follow

1262
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,800
up on that do you think the movie pixar

1263
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:55,520
by pixar's soul is a soft disclosure for

1264
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,240
the younger generation

1265
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,119
uh and you know what i asked that

1266
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,520
jokingly but the idea being that you

1267
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,680
know you stick that out there big budget

1268
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,119
hollywood studios always link to

1269
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,119
disclosure and you start getting really

1270
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,520
young kids to think about the concept of

1271
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,920
an afterlife and what a soul is and it's

1272
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,680
the essence of someone

1273
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,520
it gets them ready for you know five ten

1274
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,440
fifteen years down the line when these

1275
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,880
are the generations starting to have

1276
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,200
that conversation that we're gonna

1277
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:25,119
at the beginning of now it helps him

1278
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,319
understand that he'll have a lot better

1279
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,800
doesn't it yeah absolutely and and it

1280
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,480
gives them the knowledge as well one of

1281
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,839
the things i loved about that film was

1282
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,040
that

1283
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,119
everyone wasn't defined by one thing you

1284
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,640
know everyone had like six or seven

1285
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,040
things that they loved and the main

1286
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,480
character in the film again sorry

1287
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,160
spoilers but his

1288
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,560
his whole thing oh sorry was it

1289
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,119
i can't remember um

1290
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,720
him i'm gonna go with him for the sake

1291
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,880
of argument that character

1292
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,280
their whole thing was that they loved

1293
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,839
the experience of living

1294
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,520
which is interesting because that it's a

1295
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,839
very buddhist kind of philosophy to to

1296
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,440
be put into that film but you're right

1297
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,520
now there are children out there that

1298
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:05,359
kind of go oh yeah you know i like the

1299
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,560
way the light plays on leaves and

1300
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,240
they'll sit in the field and you know

1301
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,160
his kids do um

1302
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,680
and they're kind of directly inspired by

1303
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,599
that film there was another one um

1304
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,040
inside out

1305
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,520
that yeah like with just you know the

1306
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,000
emotions inside somebody's head and i

1307
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:22,880
read a story that the director

1308
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,839
when they had a screening of the film

1309
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,599
the day after that

1310
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,359
one of the pixar guys came to him and

1311
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,280
said oh my my kid swam for the first

1312
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,720
time this morning because of inside out

1313
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,400
and he was like what what do you mean

1314
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,480
like there's no swimming inside out and

1315
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,680
he said well

1316
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,200
he just said to me he was on the side of

1317
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,520
the pool and he said to me dad fear has

1318
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,359
got the console at the moment but i'm

1319
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,599
gonna bring joy in and then he just

1320
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,960
jumped into the pool and i was like

1321
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,119
that's so cool it gave that kid a

1322
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,119
scaffold in a language to be able to

1323
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:52,400
deal with

1324
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:53,520
you know

1325
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,720
a mental well mindfulness essentially

1326
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,560
um and many of us are only just

1327
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,480
discovering that kind of stuff so yeah

1328
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,160
it's very cool that the next generation

1329
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,480
have got some really

1330
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,160
some really cool shorthand ways of

1331
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,560
discussing some lofty concepts

1332
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,319
vinnie what about saying to yourself you

1333
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,680
know what how do you think of

1334
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,520
consciousness

1335
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,240
i mean i come from such a nuts and bolts

1336
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:19,599
background i i try and think about it

1337
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,319
and i

1338
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,480
certainly listen to a lot of discussions

1339
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,079
about it there's some great people some

1340
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,000
great friends that i've had discussions

1341
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,720
with about it but i still can't seem to

1342
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,440
find a way in for myself to to latch on

1343
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,440
to something and go that's where i'm

1344
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,040
going to start that's the direction i'm

1345
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,560
going to go because i just feel lost

1346
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,720
with it you know i do spend time on my

1347
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,240
own and i sit there and i think right

1348
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,079
try and think about it vinny come on you

1349
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,240
know really get in touch with yourself

1350
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:47,280
and that but i can't i just can't kind

1351
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,319
of grasp it or i get a child screaming

1352
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:51,599
from the next room and it just breaks

1353
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,790
i have a lot of questions about

1354
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,560
consciousness myself and if i start to

1355
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,160
try and answer one now i think i'd be

1356
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,960
doing the whole subject disservice by

1357
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,280
trying to sound like i know anything

1358
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,960
about it when i don't

1359
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,720
you know well listen i bet a lot of

1360
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,839
people are the same though where they

1361
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,520
think i would love to explore the idea

1362
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,839
of consciousness yeah and

1363
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,200
how do i go about doing that so

1364
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,720
obviously my recommendation for the

1365
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,440
layman would be pixar's soul or inside

1366
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,440
out but dan you would probably be able

1367
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,079
to recommend either a book or a site or

1368
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,760
someone's twitter feed that would give

1369
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,760
some good suggestions of a and an

1370
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,839
idiot's guide to consciousness

1371
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:30,880
um

1372
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,359
fungi and it talks about how trees and

1373
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,839
fungi talks to each other um

1374
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,400
that would be the the place that i'd

1375
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:43,920
recommend someone start because it just

1376
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,119
gives you an idea about how things think

1377
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,359
that's very different from us

1378
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,160
um and vinnie's totally right like no

1379
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,079
one can answer this question i i sound

1380
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,839
so confident kind of answering this but

1381
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,839
it's just because it's a hobby i don't

1382
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,480
know is the answer um

1383
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,880
but i sure like digging to

1384
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,480
figure this out

1385
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,079
i said recently vinnie that you know

1386
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,040
what makes me really confident and if

1387
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:10,880
you want to call it consciousness or a

1388
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,000
soul or you know a oneness or whatever

1389
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:15,839
that there's a force like a star

1390
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,119
wars-esque force as an old dan this how

1391
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,599
my dog knows about a minute before my

1392
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,480
wife's car gets anywhere near our estate

1393
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,400
he will jump up on the window and sit

1394
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,559
looking and then sure enough within 30

1395
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,559
seconds the car will come round go on

1396
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:32,000
the drive and that car would have been

1397
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,119
far away

1398
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,200
but the dog knows he just happens to

1399
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,000
know and for me that just shows you that

1400
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,920
the dog shouldn't know that that's my

1401
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,359
wife coming out that car and are street

1402
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,359
filled with cars when the car wasn't

1403
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,920
even near that the dog just gets aware

1404
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,079
that you're close by so there's that

1405
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,839
kind of connectivity for me and that

1406
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,440
that makes me go because i'm quite nuts

1407
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,680
and bolts as well but that's where i can

1408
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,119
point to something and go yeah do you

1409
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,599
know what but i can see why i can see

1410
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,680
that yeah

1411
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,280
a second recommendation here just

1412
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:03,040
because what you're talking about has a

1413
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,559
name uh

1414
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,720
by someone uh called rupert sheldrake

1415
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,359
and he refers to it as morphic resonance

1416
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,800
um and

1417
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,319
it's kind of like if you know the

1418
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,400
akashic records that there's a place

1419
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,920
where information is held and that we

1420
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,800
can collectively access that um

1421
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,440
same kind of deal um but he's actually

1422
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,119
done scientific experiments with it

1423
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,800
where they would vary the time that the

1424
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,119
dog came home oh sorry the time that the

1425
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,240
the wife came home uh from work and uh

1426
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:32,400
and the dog would still react

1427
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,599
even though that those times were

1428
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,680
changing so they they tried to introduce

1429
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,520
you know blind double-blind kind of

1430
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,599
standards to these tests uh they did it

1431
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,200
with telephone ringing and things like

1432
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,960
things like that as well and generally

1433
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,200
found that there was a higher than you

1434
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,680
know 50 or coin flip transfer

1435
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:49,119
but these things were happening so there

1436
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,880
seems to be something there his son also

1437
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,319
used

1438
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:57,599
morphic resonance in his exams at oxford

1439
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,800
he uh basically would wait 20 minutes

1440
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,079
after everyone else has started the

1441
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,680
exams with the idea that the question

1442
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:05,680
would be easiest for him to answer once

1443
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,040
everyone else had answered it before him

1444
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,440
he passed no proof whether it worked but

1445
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,200
uh you know he passed

1446
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,040
what a way to test that out and listen

1447
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,480
one more question we have a whole lot

1448
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,599
more we could go through we'll keep

1449
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,440
those for another time vinny and for

1450
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,040
getting you on as well but this one was

1451
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,440
from osiris pta one

1452
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,680
uh question so we'll start with vinnie

1453
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:27,599
why do you think there has been a sudden

1454
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,839
about face after nearly a century of

1455
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,720
debunking obfuscating and stigmatizing

1456
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,599
the ufo uap phenomenon why do you think

1457
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,599
all of a sudden now we've got the the

1458
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,119
forum that just happened the ignatius

1459
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,200
forum yesterday why do we have people

1460
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,720
like louis lozando and chris mellon

1461
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,559
talking about it why do we have the

1462
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,160
government and the un potentially

1463
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,800
establishing permanent offices to study

1464
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,280
ufos what's the big change for you

1465
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:53,280
i mean it's probably an obvious answer i

1466
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,559
think a lot of people have said many

1467
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,559
times in the last few years is december

1468
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,440
2017 with the new york times i mean i

1469
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:01,119
come across people all the time who have

1470
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,640
said oh yeah i've always been interested

1471
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,920
in ufos

1472
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:05,440
but they never felt comfortable talking

1473
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,480
about it

1474
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,480
now they will and they all put it down

1475
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,920
to well everyone else is talking about

1476
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,280
it since what happened with the navy

1477
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,440
videos and they obviously mean the

1478
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,040
breaking story from the end of the end

1479
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,200
of 2017 and

1480
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,720
yeah that's all it comes down to and i

1481
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,000
know it's probably not the most exciting

1482
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,359
answer and we hear it a lot but that's

1483
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,040
that's what i've come across

1484
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,640
so many times and i'm talking about

1485
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,559
family members like

1486
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,040
uncles and that who you're just the last

1487
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,480
people you think would ever talk about

1488
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,680
it they're all talking about it because

1489
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,920
of that same thing so yeah

1490
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,599
so it's the snowball rolling down the

1491
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,240
hill yeah absolutely bang yeah

1492
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,520
well it's like like i said it's the

1493
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,040
curiosity that

1494
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,520
a lot of people have probably always had

1495
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,640
but the moment that you know they're

1496
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,240
just scared of talking about it because

1497
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,680
you know how do you approach someone and

1498
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,960
go

1499
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,800
do you want to talk about ufos basically

1500
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,079
because you know they're more worried

1501
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,240
about being laughed at them being

1502
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:56,880
accepted kind of thing and now it's like

1503
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,200
there's more opportunity so

1504
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,040
cool awesome and dan finishing off for

1505
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,640
yourself then why do you think the

1506
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,559
sudden about face

1507
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,160
i i think it's important to emphasize

1508
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,640
that what vinnie said is is probably the

1509
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,640
the most correct answer to this question

1510
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:12,640
you know lou and chris did what they did

1511
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,680
with the plan um it's going spiffingly

1512
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,640
it seems

1513
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,760
um

1514
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,680
and yeah it's all thanks to them and

1515
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,680
their decision to to get something out

1516
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,440
of the door uh they might not have done

1517
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,520
an edward snowden and run to russia and

1518
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,000
then given the videos to the media but

1519
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,839
in a way some people seem to be arguing

1520
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,280
that they'd leave it more if they'd have

1521
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,280
done that which is weird to me

1522
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,200
because they're conversational they're

1523
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,200
in the media that you you know i i know

1524
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,119
we're frustrated that we can't hear past

1525
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,680
those ndas but it is what it is and we

1526
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,440
are getting there you know

1527
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,640
um

1528
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,720
private industry and space kind of come

1529
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,440
into it for a lot of people but

1530
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:51,760
i don't think they would be having this

1531
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,520
conversation if 2017 had hadn't happened

1532
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,960
we would be looking at that through a

1533
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,480
completely different lens whereas

1534
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,000
instead we're going oh yeah we're going

1535
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,839
to the moon we're going to mars and also

1536
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,760
they're uap that bit wouldn't be there

1537
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:05,920
if lu and chris didn't do what they did

1538
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,720
yeah awesome dan uh do you want to just

1539
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,319
quickly mention the raffle that you've

1540
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,240
got going on for anyone on kgra

1541
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,319
listening or anyone in the coming weeks

1542
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,079
that are going to hear about this

1543
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:17,680
yeah absolutely so at the moment we're

1544
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,880
running a raffle um

1545
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,880
it's for a signed

1546
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,040
poster uh that you can actually kind of

1547
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,720
see one of them behind andy it's not the

1548
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,040
signed one behind andy but it's a louis

1549
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,280
zondo truth poster looks very much like

1550
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,599
the obama one

1551
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,079
perhaps you got it yeah yeah yeah

1552
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,920
you're flexing your guns there as well

1553
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,400
yeah they're sagging yeah yeah

1554
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,920
um and we're gonna be splitting the

1555
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,160
the donations 50 50. so you can buy into

1556
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,119
a raffle the prize of that raffle is the

1557
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,680
poster the signed poster and a match in

1558
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,000
nft that i made

1559
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,760
the highest donation

1560
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,400
given that person gets a personal call

1561
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,079
from lou alexander to say thank you

1562
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:01,680
which is outstanding

1563
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,960
currently that bid sits about 600 pounds

1564
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,440
and we are up to 2100 pounds which is

1565
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,200
about i want to say three and a half

1566
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,960
thousand dollars something like that can

1567
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,880
you please clear up quickly that you all

1568
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:14,640
you've said so far is we are splitting

1569
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,599
the donations 50 50.

1570
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:19,040
that's not what it's not what's

1571
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,000
happening

1572
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,079
yes so we are splitting the donations 50

1573
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:24,400
50 between two charities

1574
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,040
saint view children's research hospital

1575
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,040
and the humane society international

1576
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,839
they will each get 50 of what is donated

1577
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,599
um

1578
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,520
the taken so far is incredible and i'm

1579
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,800
going to be really proud of the

1580
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,800
community though when i get to give

1581
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:40,960
these takens over but it'll be open

1582
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,359
until christmas eve um 11 11 pm uk time

1583
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,480
the drawing will happen at 3 33 a.m um

1584
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,160
we'll be adding prizes in the weeks

1585
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,559
going forward as well so keep an eye on

1586
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,079
it uh you know the spoils are going to

1587
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,400
get better basically and you can find

1588
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,000
that at uh go.rallyup.com

1589
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,000
forward slash truth

1590
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,000
or have a look on my twitter it's pinned

1591
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,440
to my profile

1592
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,079
awesome and then the signal which is

1593
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,680
here damn i did the same thing as well

1594
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,520
yeah it's really hard to engage where

1595
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,280
you are if you're listening to this

1596
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,960
you're missing out on watching us try

1597
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,440
and point at things on the screen

1598
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,520
it's like inverted controls um and

1599
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,200
vinnie uh what have you got coming up on

1600
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,040
your channel how can people find you and

1601
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:25,359
how can they go and check out your stuff

1602
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,720
um well this

1603
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,040
week i've got a dj from calling all

1604
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,040
beans and then i've got a bit of a break

1605
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,880
this weekend next week i'm speaking to

1606
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,640
erlin strand we're going to be talking

1607
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,799
about the hairstyle and lights

1608
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,319
if people want to come and follow me

1609
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,480
they can do so on youtube um it's just

1610
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,000
disclosure team

1611
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,680
um on instagram you can find me

1612
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,079
disclosure underscore team

1613
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,480
uh twitter is disclosure team underscore

1614
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:50,079
just to confuse everybody with the

1615
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,839
placing of the underscore there but if

1616
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,599
you go to instagram which is where i

1617
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:56,079
post most um i've got a link tree there

1618
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,880
so

1619
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,200
that's probably just the easiest thing

1620
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,960
awesome and if you're listening to this

1621
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,119
now then this week our listener call-in

1622
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,559
was out which is getting more and more

1623
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,400
popular really good calls on that one as

1624
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,319
well it's like your classic radio

1625
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,480
call-in show format so you can check

1626
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,480
that one out available on youtube and

1627
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,079
it's on all the streaming audio

1628
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,319
platforms as well if you want into the

1629
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,559
discord then sign up to the patreon or

1630
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,240
you can sign up to the apple premium and

1631
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,680
either one will get you access to the

1632
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,520
discord channel which is really fun and

1633
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,559
it's where we've got a lot of the

1634
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,440
suggestions for this show from as well

1635
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,960
but other than that please check out the

1636
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,400
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speak to you soon

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you very much for listening please

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i can't imagine how it could have been

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any better

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there was something on my head and

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everything was weird and everything was

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[Music]

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to know who i me

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it's you and me and us and me and him

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and her and she

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[Music]

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what's that

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[Music]

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it wasn't a tic-tac and not quite a